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Wyke Mossari
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Posted - 2011.05.01 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cave Lord I received the latest EON magazine and there was an article on wormholes/Sleepers/Talocan. Regrettably, I don't have the magazine in front of me at the moment. However, near the end, the author mentions being surprised that not many people have tried to map the "path" the Talocan/Sleepers might have taken through Anoikis space.
1) Has anyone tried to do this? If so, how far did you get? 2) Is mapping the path of movement of the Sleepers/Talocan even feasable at the moment?
People have tried, but so far most (all?) seem to have failed. If anybody has succeeded they are keeping it very quiet.
However I can tell you there is definitely a pattern, the topology is a logarithmic spiral.
Determining anything useful beyond that is not easy.
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Wyke Mossari
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Posted - 2011.05.03 09:38:00 -
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Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 03/05/2011 09:44:01 Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 03/05/2011 09:42:22
Quote: @Wyke Mossari: How do we know it's a spiral? EVE data dump? Dev post?
The data dump has the loci systems located in a clear spirals, and several possibilities have been raised in these forums, Fermats and Archamides in particular. My own analysis leads me towards a logrithmic spiral because the distance loops/layers seems to be increasing. However Fermats is also rather intriguing as well, it potentially ties in nicely with Istvaan's combination lock theory and the shifting pattern of wormholes between loci.
I did raise a thread, Anoikis Astrometric Expedition, with an idea to try and explore this but it didn't gain much traction.
I did/do want to pursue it but at the moment my feelings very much mirror those Shoo Dae has expressed, I'm intrigued but I'm somewhat disillusioned and largely worn out.
Quote: Do you guys think mapping the WH's a feasable project?/quote]
Yes I do, but I think we need to find some more understanding, find a way to rule out some of the possibilities, that's what my expedition thread was about.
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Wyke Mossari
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Posted - 2011.05.04 09:42:00 -
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I've just uploaded my data dump of the wormhole map data to a Google spreadsheet.
Wormhole data.
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Wyke Mossari
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Posted - 2011.05.06 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari
I've just uploaded my data dump of the wormhole map data to a Google spreadsheet.
Wormhole data.
If anybody wants edit rights to add extra data or columns you will need a Google account and then you can send a request through the sharing button top right of the page.
However the data set is so big it is sluggish to edit within Google, a few columns are hidden from view to make it more responsive, but that doesn't help much.
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Wyke Mossari
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Posted - 2011.05.07 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Avaan Eclipse Plotting the systems in 3D is completely uninteresting. The map posted earlier is the YZ-plane, and the systems have a random distribution in the Y-coordinate. Pictures below.
XY-plane XZ-plane YZ-plane 3D perspective shot
The spatial distribution of the systems outside the YZ-plane is probably a dead end.
Perhaps, checkout Riemann surface
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Wyke Mossari
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Posted - 2011.05.09 09:56:00 -
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I've been doing some statistical analysing the data over the week-end, mostly looking for correlations between columns.
The majority of correlations so far have been +/- 0.01-0.04, which is very low and can be ruled out as (random) noise.
SizeWH ClassCORREL(X)CORREL(Y)CORREL(Z) Size10.01-0.020.01-0.04 Class0.011-0.14-0.010.05 X-0.02-0.141-0.010.05 Y0.01-0.01-0.0110.02 Z-0.040.050.050.021 (Ignore the 1's they are just to validate my calcs by making sure each column correlates with it's self.)
There is one correlation of 0.14, which while small is just high enough to suggest it is probably significant. This is between the solarSystemX and the wormhole class. The further away from the point of origin the more likely of a wormhole class is higher. However the low level of correlation suggests that the relationship is not linear.
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Wyke Mossari
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Posted - 2011.05.09 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 09/05/2011 16:50:58
Originally by: Tsual
The question that opens up form me is why is a space called with the same term as a form of programmed cell death?
Rouge Drones (Perhaps Sleepers) are Von Neumann Machines; one possible risk of these is they become Berserker; to avoid these literally taking over the universe you need to include a kill switch.
There one possible interpretation of Anoikis could be: Programmed Cell Death for cellular automata.
Originally by: Tsual
On second note has anyone yet tried to find a relation between complex numbers and the locus?
Tried, yes.
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Wyke Mossari
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Posted - 2011.05.11 18:04:00 -
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I've been thinking about the Loci/System Names, first a recap of what (I think) I know.
On the surface they resemble astronomic EPOCH, however they lack the additional Celestial coordinates data necessary to make them a true observation.
Therefore to be useful for outbound navigation we lack two additional items of information. What is the celestial plane and a reference point for zero(midnight).
My conclusion is that the loci cannot be an outward bound signpost.
The part we have available is the time-stamp element. In conventional astronomy this is the time of the observation (sometimes the first discovery).
The loci appear to be a 24Hour clock which also varies from standard epoc which is a Julian year.
This could represent the time of discovery. However given the long history of New Eden, this seems implausible.
If they are within a spinning spiral galaxy, it could represent their position at some fixed point in time. Given the evidence at hand this seems to be the most plausible explanation.
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Wyke Mossari
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Posted - 2011.05.12 13:11:00 -
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@Cave Lord
Yes, that's what I was suggesting, build towards. The locus can be translated to "degrees of arc", but they would only be useful on a flat plane and would need a "fixed reference point".
On earth that reference point is north, in astronomy the plane can be the solar system plane or the galactic plane of the Milky way. One reference point is the galactic core.
In Eve we do have the normal plane and a few candidates for the reference point. Point Genesis seems the most obvious.
Regarding triangulation, probably yes. At the moment I'm working on calculating an estimate of the centre point of the wormhole systems from the X,Y,Z co-ordinates. An approximate galactic core.
@Tsual
Yes, I'm still trying to get my head around maths.
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Wyke Mossari
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Posted - 2011.05.19 09:43:00 -
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That touches on something I've been unable to fathom.
If Anoikis was centred on the Milky-way (or comparable spiral Galaxy) we could expect the more extreme C5 to be in the centre nearest the Galactic Core and the less extreme to be on the outside.
This is not the case, instead the most normal systems are towards the centre physically and also have generally lower Class numbers.
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Wyke Mossari
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Posted - 2011.06.01 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Darcy D'Spledide
It seems the spiral was inspired by Pottsey writing an article in character. Nothing wrong with that. Just that the reaction to this fictitious idea seems to be logical analysis, lots of maps and graphs, srs bizniz.
The spiral structure is a quite old discovery, it was discussed last summer and perhaps known even before that. I think it's fair to say that IC writing was inspired by that earlier discovery not the other way around.
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Wyke Mossari
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Posted - 2011.08.09 12:45:00 -
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Bump to to first page.
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